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Android-x86 partners with Remix OS!
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okwon
2016-02-29 05:09:17 UTC
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Congratulations ~~
Hi all,
As you may have read the announcement on both sites,
Android-x86 partners with Remix OS now.
http://www.android-x86.org/changelog/partnership
http://www.jide.com/en/remixos-for-pc/announcement
For those who are curious, let me give more details
why and how we make the partnership.
Jide Technology, the creator of Remix OS, has contacted
me in about Sep 2015 for the cooperation.
In the early Nov 2015, one month after Android-x86 5.1-rc1
released, they sent me a preview iso of Remix OS for PC
based on the 5.1-rc1. I was surprised they made it so quickly.
In the mid Nov 2015, two co-founders of Jide met me
at Taipei to exchange more ideas about the cooperation.
Later in the end of Nov when I visited Beijing,
I was invited to Jide's office to give a talk to the RD team.
I was surprised they have a so big, smart and energetic team.
After that, Jide engineers joined the devel group
to co-work with other developers. They have submitted
some valuable patches to the Android-x86 codebase.
Last week after the CNY holidays, I was invited to Jide office
again. During the meetings in the 4 days, we reached a very
detailed cooperation plan including new designed website,
prioritized working items and marketing promotion.
Moreover, we see the same vision that Android will
enter or even dominate the PC desktop in the future.
We hope to make it happen as quicker as possible.
We agreed to announce the partnership on MWC 2016.
Jide Technology will continue to contribute improvements of
Remix OS under the x86 BSP level, say, the kernel and hals.
Later I'll post the detailed tasks to the devel group
so other developers can follow and co-work together.
Besides, I was also invited to visit Chaozhuo Technology,
the creator of Phoenix OS(x86) in Beijing.
Though they are a smaller group, they also show
sincere intention to work with the community
to improve Android UX on the desktop.
I think they will also make good contributions in the future.
What I hope to say is the Jide and Chaozhuo Technology
shows a very good example how the commercial companies
can co-work and contribute an open source project
like Android-x86.
I believe they will move forward this project to a totally
different level than before in the near future.
Let's make it!
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Kittygirl
2016-03-03 01:40:24 UTC
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Thank-you for partnering with Jide for RemixOS! I am rather excited about
it (only been able to mess around with Alpha a little, finally my beta
download is done! )! Glad to see that its free and n00b friendly!
Keep up the great work! :)
Hi all,
As you may have read the announcement on both sites,
Android-x86 partners with Remix OS now.
http://www.android-x86.org/changelog/partnership
http://www.jide.com/en/remixos-for-pc/announcement
For those who are curious, let me give more details
why and how we make the partnership.
Jide Technology, the creator of Remix OS, has contacted
me in about Sep 2015 for the cooperation.
In the early Nov 2015, one month after Android-x86 5.1-rc1
released, they sent me a preview iso of Remix OS for PC
based on the 5.1-rc1. I was surprised they made it so quickly.
In the mid Nov 2015, two co-founders of Jide met me
at Taipei to exchange more ideas about the cooperation.
Later in the end of Nov when I visited Beijing,
I was invited to Jide's office to give a talk to the RD team.
I was surprised they have a so big, smart and energetic team.
After that, Jide engineers joined the devel group
to co-work with other developers. They have submitted
some valuable patches to the Android-x86 codebase.
Last week after the CNY holidays, I was invited to Jide office
again. During the meetings in the 4 days, we reached a very
detailed cooperation plan including new designed website,
prioritized working items and marketing promotion.
Moreover, we see the same vision that Android will
enter or even dominate the PC desktop in the future.
We hope to make it happen as quicker as possible.
We agreed to announce the partnership on MWC 2016.
Jide Technology will continue to contribute improvements of
Remix OS under the x86 BSP level, say, the kernel and hals.
Later I'll post the detailed tasks to the devel group
so other developers can follow and co-work together.
Besides, I was also invited to visit Chaozhuo Technology,
the creator of Phoenix OS(x86) in Beijing.
Though they are a smaller group, they also show
sincere intention to work with the community
to improve Android UX on the desktop.
I think they will also make good contributions in the future.
What I hope to say is the Jide and Chaozhuo Technology
shows a very good example how the commercial companies
can co-work and contribute an open source project
like Android-x86.
I believe they will move forward this project to a totally
different level than before in the near future.
Let's make it!
--
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Android-x86 project
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youling 257
2016-03-03 08:33:26 UTC
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you will update Android x86 aosp 6.0.1  remix os base on 6.0.1will well.
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'Thomas Hoberg' via Android-x86
2016-03-06 20:16:49 UTC
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Dear Chih-Wei,

I've played with Android-x86 over the last years, typically during
vacations when I had time enough to go through some builds and trying them
on the various kinds of x86 hardware I have in my home lab. Intel stuff
with chipset or CPU graphics typically worked rather well, AMD APUs and
dGPU typically not so great. Remix Beta is the first to run with my Kaveri
APU (A10-7850K) out of the box (haven't tried the Trinity and Richmond
based APUs yet).

I really always wanted to run an Android/Ubuntu hybrids on my bigger
machines like my Haswell Xeon with 32GB, RAID, SSDs and Nvidia GTX 780 or
the Phenom II x6 with an Radeon 290X as well as on my Bay Trail and
Braswell Atoms: Android brings a lot more basic functionality to the table
than your run-of-the mill Fedora or Ubuntu desktop and I've always felt
that it's easier to add Linux desktop to Android than making Linux run on a
tablet.

So often I've jus taken Android-x86 and reconfigured the kernels to add
support for hardware I have on my PCs, but which you won't find on a 1-2GB
HDMI Intel compute stick. I mean there is a 64-Bit variant for a reason,
right?

And right now I'd like to build a 64-bit kernel for Remix OS which supports
my AMD Phenom II x6, because the Jide developers for some reason chose not
to support these older Phenoms in their 64-bit build (instead they
recommend using the 32-bit variant).

A 32-bit Android running on a 6 core 3.6GHz box with 16GB of ECC RAM?
Excuse me? Do you know why x86-64 is still called AMD64 on many platforms?

Their oversight would be extremely easy to fix, by reconfiguring the kernel
they use and recompiling it.
And it might be useful to add Nvidia support to it, because at the moment
Remix only sees and uses the integrated Haswell P4900 GPU of my Xeon
E3-1276 v3 and ignores the GTX 780.

Now the question is: Where can I find the repository that holds the kernel
they maintain?

Ideally I should be able to mix a home grown kernel with their Remix
distribution.

I can kinda understand they don't want to release their launcher and all
the other modifications they have done as open source (don't know if they
can legally avoid doing so), but the ability to play with the kernel
features and the hardware support has always been one of the key
ingredients of Android-x86 and I'd like that part to live on, while Jide
should continue on creating the perfect user land to make Android the best
Linux desktop user experience.

I really want the best of both worlds, I'm happy to pay Jide a couple of
bucks a year for their UI work, but I also want the flexibility of open
source Linux/Android where it counts.

I see your collaboration fitting to that vision almost ideally, but at the
moment I cannot see how it is executed, because I can't just select a
"Remix" branch for Android-x86.

I'd appreaciate any pointers or hints as to how this would work in the
future.

Kind regards, Thomas
Hi all,
As you may have read the announcement on both sites,
Android-x86 partners with Remix OS now.
http://www.android-x86.org/changelog/partnership
http://www.jide.com/en/remixos-for-pc/announcement
For those who are curious, let me give more details
why and how we make the partnership.
Jide Technology, the creator of Remix OS, has contacted
me in about Sep 2015 for the cooperation.
In the early Nov 2015, one month after Android-x86 5.1-rc1
released, they sent me a preview iso of Remix OS for PC
based on the 5.1-rc1. I was surprised they made it so quickly.
In the mid Nov 2015, two co-founders of Jide met me
at Taipei to exchange more ideas about the cooperation.
Later in the end of Nov when I visited Beijing,
I was invited to Jide's office to give a talk to the RD team.
I was surprised they have a so big, smart and energetic team.
After that, Jide engineers joined the devel group
to co-work with other developers. They have submitted
some valuable patches to the Android-x86 codebase.
Last week after the CNY holidays, I was invited to Jide office
again. During the meetings in the 4 days, we reached a very
detailed cooperation plan including new designed website,
prioritized working items and marketing promotion.
Moreover, we see the same vision that Android will
enter or even dominate the PC desktop in the future.
We hope to make it happen as quicker as possible.
We agreed to announce the partnership on MWC 2016.
Jide Technology will continue to contribute improvements of
Remix OS under the x86 BSP level, say, the kernel and hals.
Later I'll post the detailed tasks to the devel group
so other developers can follow and co-work together.
Besides, I was also invited to visit Chaozhuo Technology,
the creator of Phoenix OS(x86) in Beijing.
Though they are a smaller group, they also show
sincere intention to work with the community
to improve Android UX on the desktop.
I think they will also make good contributions in the future.
What I hope to say is the Jide and Chaozhuo Technology
shows a very good example how the commercial companies
can co-work and contribute an open source project
like Android-x86.
I believe they will move forward this project to a totally
different level than before in the near future.
Let's make it!
--
Chih-Wei
Android-x86 project
http://www.android-x86.org
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Hypo Turtle
2016-03-06 21:37:15 UTC
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Think I can answer a few of your questions ...
Jide source is supposedly here - https://github.com/jide-opensource/ but it seems to just be the alpha i.e. 4.0.9 kernel
Why AMD64, well why is 32bit called x86?? To answer both; the first 32bit chip was the Intel 8086, the first 64bit chip (with proper x86 compatibility) was made by AMD.
AMD64's specs became the standard for 64bit chips so thats why some (purists) would prefer to refer to the arch as AMD64 (AMD64, x86, x86_64 and x86-64 are all the same thing though)

Okay back to Remix; you should be able to use the 4.4.0 Ax86 kernel/modules with RemixOS - while waiting for the 4.4.2 source to materialise.
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'Thomas Hoberg' via Android-x86
2016-03-07 01:15:09 UTC
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Please see my inserts
Post by Hypo Turtle
Think I can answer a few of your questions ...
Jide source is supposedly here - https://github.com/jide-opensource/ but
it seems to just be the alpha i.e. 4.0.9 kernel
I've just had a cursory look at that and nothing is less than 5 months old.
And it doesn't seem to be x86 related.

Why AMD64, well why is 32bit called x86?? To answer both; the first 32bit
Post by Hypo Turtle
chip was the Intel 8086, the first 64bit chip (with proper x86
compatibility) was made by AMD.
AMD64's specs became the standard for 64bit chips so thats why some
(purists) would prefer to refer to the arch as AMD64 (AMD64, x86, x86_64
and x86-64 are all the same thing though)
I know my x86 history well enough: I started programing for money on an
original IBM PC XT in 1984 (the one with the 10MB 5 1/4" full height hard
disk drive), my first own PC had an Intel 80286 and I've owned every
generation of x86 CPUs produced since, both by Intel and AMD.

I was basically complaining that the Remix guys are dissing the very CPU
type on their 64-bit build, which brought 64-Bit to x86.

I don't know which x86 instruction extension they made mandatory in their
config, but Linux and Android have very few hard dependencies of their own.
And CPUs haven't really evolved that much in the last 10 years, we still
run three Core 2 based PC in the family with 3.4 GHz quad cores (modded
Xeons, very cheap today) and modern graphics cards which deliver top notch
gaming performance with high end Steam titles on less than 50 Watts of
power (for the CPU, GPUs are around 200 Watts).

Most likely it's nothing relevant, but I hope it's not AES-NI, because that
would also preclude Bay Trail Atoms, which are otherwise a perfect fit for
Remix (Braswell works perfectly).

I mean, ok Linus Torvalds dropped 80386 support from the Linux kernel 3.7
in 2012 even if an 80386 was what Linux was "born" on in 1991: But my
Phenom II x6 is from 2010 and still quite ok in term of CPU performance. It
runs every current x86 OS from VMware ESX, Windows Server 2012R2 to Fedora
23 just fine and it certainly should be good enough to run Android with a
proper GPU (Radeon 290X inside, which I wanted to test after the APU worked
so well).

In fact a Remix optimized Android would be the perfect system for quite a
few older PCs I have under my direct or indirect care, which seem to have
become a little sluggish with Windows 10 while they are perfectly capable
of running a 64 bit Android and had have RAM to fill. A lot of these are
used by kids and those kids know Android better from phones and tablets
than they know Windows or Linux.
Post by Hypo Turtle
Okay back to Remix; you should be able to use the 4.4.0 Ax86
kernel/modules with RemixOS - while waiting for the 4.4.2 source to
materialise.
Whenever I started fiddling with Android-x86 I first tried to build a
current release unmodified from Chih-Wei's work, just to validate my build
environment.
Then I'd start skrewing around and know who to blame, if things stopped
working.

So that's why I'd like to start with the obviously excellent work Chih-Wei
and Remix have done, but I kind find that source.

Chih-Wei's latest 5.1 release is based on a 4.0.9 kernel and all his work
on the 4.4 kernel seems Marshmallow based.

Remix is a 5.1.1 with a 4.4 kernel, clearly something in between and
obviously something that works rather well, including an AMD Kaveri
A10-7850K APU, which never worked on the previous Android-86 releases I
tried.

So if I wanted to play around, that 64-Bit kernel which Remix Beta is using
and which is a product of shared work between Jide and Chih-Wei, should be
the perfect starting point, but it seems to use a different repository.
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pstglia
2016-03-07 01:33:32 UTC
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Hi Thomas,

Remix is a 5.1.1 with a 4.4 kernel, clearly something in between and
Post by 'Thomas Hoberg' via Android-x86
obviously something that works rather well, including an AMD Kaveri
A10-7850K APU, which never worked on the previous Android-86 releases I
tried.
So if I wanted to play around, that 64-Bit kernel which Remix Beta is
using and which is a product of shared work between Jide and Chih-Wei,
should be the perfect starting point, but it seems to use a different
repository.
The main reason your A10 7850K is not working on previous releases is
because due radeonsi driver. We managed to enable and compile it starting
from Lollipop (which has the minimum required llvm version to compile
radeonsi on Mesa). However, at first not all CGN cards were well supported.

With help of Mesa maintainers and Mauro Rossi, this was improved. Most of
his worked is already synced on sourceforge, but there's no "official"
Android-x86 release image containing this code.

However, you can try this build made by Mauro Rossi. Many GCN users are
reporting this works ok (AMD kanibi 5150, AMD r7 260X and others)
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B_OFHiIqgpSFTHBqd2xPLVUzY2c/view?usp=sharing


Jide probably merged this code on latest Remix release.

Regards,
Pstglia
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pstglia
2016-03-07 01:36:03 UTC
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Post by pstglia
With help of Mesa maintainers and Mauro Rossi, this was improved. Most of
his worked is already synced on sourceforge, but there's no "official"
Android-x86 release image containing this code.
Yet... Of course these changes will be available on the next release. But
you can always get the code and compile locally (or use someone's build)
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'Thomas Hoberg' via Android-x86
2016-03-13 15:43:59 UTC
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Hi Pstglia,

I did give it a try, but it would just reset and reboot on the Phenom II
which has the 290X inside.

Dunno if this is a 64bit build, which (now ;-) would explain it or if there
is another issue.

I'd try moving it to another CPU if the 290X wasn't such a power monster
and the Phenom II x6 is the only one with a properly sized PSU in it
(actually there is also the Haswell Xeon, but that's filled to the hilt
with RAID, FusionIO and other stuff so I'd rather not touch it).
Post by pstglia
Hi Thomas,
Remix is a 5.1.1 with a 4.4 kernel, clearly something in between and
Post by 'Thomas Hoberg' via Android-x86
obviously something that works rather well, including an AMD Kaveri
A10-7850K APU, which never worked on the previous Android-86 releases I
tried.
So if I wanted to play around, that 64-Bit kernel which Remix Beta is
using and which is a product of shared work between Jide and Chih-Wei,
should be the perfect starting point, but it seems to use a different
repository.
The main reason your A10 7850K is not working on previous releases is
because due radeonsi driver. We managed to enable and compile it starting
from Lollipop (which has the minimum required llvm version to compile
radeonsi on Mesa). However, at first not all CGN cards were well supported.
With help of Mesa maintainers and Mauro Rossi, this was improved. Most of
his worked is already synced on sourceforge, but there's no "official"
Android-x86 release image containing this code.
However, you can try this build made by Mauro Rossi. Many GCN users are
reporting this works ok (AMD kanibi 5150, AMD r7 260X and others)
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B_OFHiIqgpSFTHBqd2xPLVUzY2c/view?usp=sharing
Jide probably merged this code on latest Remix release.
Regards,
Pstglia
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'Thomas Hoberg' via Android-x86
2016-03-13 16:03:24 UTC
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Just tried it on a Penryn based Xeon Harpertown, modded from socket 771 to
775 which has SSE4.1 (but 4.2 etc.) and a GCN Radon 7870.
Booted the kernel all right but surfaceflinger dies on an "illegal opcode"
in gallium_dri.so.

Various other daemons die with the same invalid opcode.

I'll try a 32-bit ReMIX next on that hardware to see if it makes a
difference, but 64-Bit RemixOS worked just fine on a Penryn mobile Quadcode
which also lacks SSE 4.2 (but has SSE 4.1).
Post by 'Thomas Hoberg' via Android-x86
Hi Pstglia,
I did give it a try, but it would just reset and reboot on the Phenom II
which has the 290X inside.
Dunno if this is a 64bit build, which (now ;-) would explain it or if
there is another issue.
I'd try moving it to another CPU if the 290X wasn't such a power monster
and the Phenom II x6 is the only one with a properly sized PSU in it
(actually there is also the Haswell Xeon, but that's filled to the hilt
with RAID, FusionIO and other stuff so I'd rather not touch it).
Post by pstglia
Hi Thomas,
Remix is a 5.1.1 with a 4.4 kernel, clearly something in between and
Post by 'Thomas Hoberg' via Android-x86
obviously something that works rather well, including an AMD Kaveri
A10-7850K APU, which never worked on the previous Android-86 releases I
tried.
So if I wanted to play around, that 64-Bit kernel which Remix Beta is
using and which is a product of shared work between Jide and Chih-Wei,
should be the perfect starting point, but it seems to use a different
repository.
The main reason your A10 7850K is not working on previous releases is
because due radeonsi driver. We managed to enable and compile it starting
from Lollipop (which has the minimum required llvm version to compile
radeonsi on Mesa). However, at first not all CGN cards were well supported.
With help of Mesa maintainers and Mauro Rossi, this was improved. Most of
his worked is already synced on sourceforge, but there's no "official"
Android-x86 release image containing this code.
However, you can try this build made by Mauro Rossi. Many GCN users are
reporting this works ok (AMD kanibi 5150, AMD r7 260X and others)
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B_OFHiIqgpSFTHBqd2xPLVUzY2c/view?usp=sharing
Jide probably merged this code on latest Remix release.
Regards,
Pstglia
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pstglia
2016-03-13 19:45:47 UTC
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Hi Thomas,
Post by 'Thomas Hoberg' via Android-x86
Just tried it on a Penryn based Xeon Harpertown, modded from socket 771 to
775 which has SSE4.1 (but 4.2 etc.) and a GCN Radon 7870.
Booted the kernel all right but surfaceflinger dies on an "illegal opcode"
in gallium_dri.so.
Various other daemons die with the same invalid opcode.
I'll try a 32-bit ReMIX next on that hardware to see if it makes a
difference, but 64-Bit RemixOS worked just fine on a Penryn mobile Quadcode
which also lacks SSE 4.2 (but has SSE 4.1).
Yes, by defaut 64 bits builds uses some SSE4.1 instructions and POPCNT,
which are not available on every CPU


Used an objdump script [1] + vim-gas [2] and got some samples:

FILE:instruction - Instruction set - Matched string
system/lib64/libRSSupport.so:blendps - syn keyword gasOpcode_SSE41 blendps
blendpsb blendpsw blendpsl blendpsq
system/lib64/libRSSupport.so:pextrb - syn keyword gasOpcode_X64_SSE41 pextrb
pextrbb pextrbw pextrbl pextrbq
system/lib64/libRSSupport.so:pextrd - syn keyword gasOpcode_SSE41 pextrd
pextrdb pextrdw pextrdl pextrdq
system/lib64/libRSSupport.so:pextrq - syn keyword gasOpcode_X64_SSE41 pextrq
pextrqb pextrqw pextrql pextrqq
system/lib64/libRSSupport.so:pextrw - syn keyword gasOpcode_X64_SSE41 pextrw
pextrwb pextrww pextrwl pextrwq
system/lib64/libRSSupport.so:pinsrd - syn keyword gasOpcode_SSE41 pinsrd
pinsrdb pinsrdw pinsrdl pinsrdq
system/lib64/libRSSupport.so:pmaxsd - syn keyword gasOpcode_SSE41 pmaxsd
pmaxsdb pmaxsdw pmaxsdl pmaxsdq
system/lib64/libRSSupport.so:pminud - syn keyword gasOpcode_SSE41 pminud
pminudb pminudw pminudl pminudq
system/lib64/libRSSupport.so:pmulld - syn keyword gasOpcode_SSE41 pmulld
pmulldb pmulldw pmulldl pmulldq
system/lib64/libRSSupport.so:roundss - syn keyword gasOpcode_SSE41 roundss
roundssb roundssw roundssl roundssq
system/lib64/libc.so:pextrb - syn keyword gasOpcode_X64_SSE41 pextrb
pextrbb pextrbw pextrbl pextrbq
system/lib64/libc.so:pmuldq - syn keyword gasOpcode_SSE41 pmuldq pmuldqb
pmuldqw pmuldql pmuldqq
system/lib64/libc.so:popcnt - syn keyword gasOpcode_NEHALEM_Base popcnt

[1] - check_instruction_set_binary.sh
[2] - https://github.com/Shirk/vim-gas (gas.vim file)
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'Thomas Hoberg' via Android-x86
2016-03-22 08:36:21 UTC
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Post by pstglia
Hi Thomas,
Remix is a 5.1.1 with a 4.4 kernel, clearly something in between and
Post by 'Thomas Hoberg' via Android-x86
obviously something that works rather well, including an AMD Kaveri
A10-7850K APU, which never worked on the previous Android-86 releases I
tried.
So if I wanted to play around, that 64-Bit kernel which Remix Beta is
using and which is a product of shared work between Jide and Chih-Wei,
should be the perfect starting point, but it seems to use a different
repository.
The main reason your A10 7850K is not working on previous releases is
because due radeonsi driver. We managed to enable and compile it starting
from Lollipop (which has the minimum required llvm version to compile
radeonsi on Mesa). However, at first not all CGN cards were well supported.
With help of Mesa maintainers and Mauro Rossi, this was improved. Most of
his worked is already synced on sourceforge, but there's no "official"
Android-x86 release image containing this code.
However, you can try this build made by Mauro Rossi. Many GCN users are
reporting this works ok (AMD kanibi 5150, AMD r7 260X and others)
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B_OFHiIqgpSFTHBqd2xPLVUzY2c/view?usp=sharing
Jide probably merged this code on latest Remix release.
Regards,
Pstglia
Hi Pstglia,

tried this version on both the Kaveri and the Richland system. Kaveri
looked excellent, Richland failed to load the dri driver.

You wouldn't happen to have a link to a 32-bit variant of this excellent
build? So I can try to run that on the Penryn Xeons with GCN GPUs?

Where can I find Mauro Rossi's builds?

I believe he used to run a web site 'tabletsx86.org' but that seems gone
these days.
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tried this version on both the Kaveri and the Richland system. Kaveri
looked excellent, Richland failed to load the dri driver.
My Trinity (A10 5800K) boots ok. Some clue on dmesg / logcat?
Post by 'Thomas Hoberg' via Android-x86
You wouldn't happen to have a link to a 32-bit variant of this excellent
build? So I can try to run that on the Penryn Xeons with GCN GPUs?
Where can I find Mauro Rossi's builds?
Hi Mauro,

Can you help us? Do you have some marshmallow build for 32 bits targets
with radeonsi enabled?

Regards
Pstglia
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2016-03-07 03:46:00 UTC
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I realize this is kinda off topic but Mr. Huang or anyone else have any ideas why the 32bit beta version of remixos only works in guest mode on the Asus T100? Resident mode just hangs on remixos screen. Someone mentioned that they got the 64bit to work on a T100taf though.
Yes I realize that this is android x86 not remixos(no DEVS have commented our T100 THREAD on remixos Google groups) ! Wondering if anyone has an ideas!
Thx
2016-03-07 9:15 GMT+08:00 'Thomas Hoberg' via Android-x86
Post by 'Thomas Hoberg' via Android-x86
Please see my inserts
Post by Hypo Turtle
Think I can answer a few of your questions ...
Jide source is supposedly here - https://github.com/jide-opensource/
but
Post by 'Thomas Hoberg' via Android-x86
Post by Hypo Turtle
it seems to just be the alpha i.e. 4.0.9 kernel
I've just had a cursory look at that and nothing is less than 5
months old.
Post by 'Thomas Hoberg' via Android-x86
And it doesn't seem to be x86 related.
Indeed the github is not updated for their beta release.
That's a mistake.
I've asked Jide to handle it as soon as possible.
Post by 'Thomas Hoberg' via Android-x86
Post by Hypo Turtle
Why AMD64, well why is 32bit called x86?? To answer both; the
first
Post by 'Thomas Hoberg' via Android-x86
Post by Hypo Turtle
32bit chip was the Intel 8086, the first 64bit chip (with proper x86
compatibility) was made by AMD.
AMD64's specs became the standard for 64bit chips so thats why some
(purists) would prefer to refer to the arch as AMD64 (AMD64, x86,
x86_64 and
Post by 'Thomas Hoberg' via Android-x86
Post by Hypo Turtle
x86-64 are all the same thing though)
I know my x86 history well enough: I started programing for money on
an
Post by 'Thomas Hoberg' via Android-x86
original IBM PC XT in 1984 (the one with the 10MB 5 1/4" full height
hard
Post by 'Thomas Hoberg' via Android-x86
disk drive), my first own PC had an Intel 80286 and I've owned every
generation of x86 CPUs produced since, both by Intel and AMD.
I was basically complaining that the Remix guys are dissing the very
CPU
Post by 'Thomas Hoberg' via Android-x86
type on their 64-bit build, which brought 64-Bit to x86.
About this problem, you need to do some homework
before complaining.
It's Google which brought the 64-bit support to Android
since the 5.0 (lollipop) release, not by Remix guys.
The x86-64 ABI was defined by Google and Intel,
http://developer.android.com/ndk/guides/abis.html
The 64-bit images released by Android-x86 or Remix OS
are just compliant to the ABI requirement.
In short, your CPU is too old to meet
the ABI requirement defined by AOSP.
(I guess it missed SSE 4.x)
In doubt, try cat /proc/cpuinfo for your CPU
in any Linux distrubition.
Post by 'Thomas Hoberg' via Android-x86
I don't know which x86 instruction extension they made mandatory in
their
Post by 'Thomas Hoberg' via Android-x86
config, but Linux and Android have very few hard dependencies of
their own.
Post by 'Thomas Hoberg' via Android-x86
And CPUs haven't really evolved that much in the last 10 years, we
still run
Post by 'Thomas Hoberg' via Android-x86
three Core 2 based PC in the family with 3.4 GHz quad cores (modded
Xeons,
Post by 'Thomas Hoberg' via Android-x86
very cheap today) and modern graphics cards which deliver top notch
gaming
Post by 'Thomas Hoberg' via Android-x86
performance with high end Steam titles on less than 50 Watts of power
(for
Post by 'Thomas Hoberg' via Android-x86
the CPU, GPUs are around 200 Watts).
Most likely it's nothing relevant, but I hope it's not AES-NI,
because that
Post by 'Thomas Hoberg' via Android-x86
would also preclude Bay Trail Atoms, which are otherwise a perfect
fit for
Post by 'Thomas Hoberg' via Android-x86
Remix (Braswell works perfectly).
I mean, ok Linus Torvalds dropped 80386 support from the Linux kernel
3.7 in
Post by 'Thomas Hoberg' via Android-x86
2012 even if an 80386 was what Linux was "born" on in 1991: But my
Phenom II
Post by 'Thomas Hoberg' via Android-x86
x6 is from 2010 and still quite ok in term of CPU performance. It
runs every
Post by 'Thomas Hoberg' via Android-x86
current x86 OS from VMware ESX, Windows Server 2012R2 to Fedora 23
just fine
Post by 'Thomas Hoberg' via Android-x86
and it certainly should be good enough to run Android with a proper
GPU
Post by 'Thomas Hoberg' via Android-x86
(Radeon 290X inside, which I wanted to test after the APU worked so
well).
Post by 'Thomas Hoberg' via Android-x86
In fact a Remix optimized Android would be the perfect system for
quite a
Post by 'Thomas Hoberg' via Android-x86
few older PCs I have under my direct or indirect care, which seem to
have
Post by 'Thomas Hoberg' via Android-x86
become a little sluggish with Windows 10 while they are perfectly
capable of
Post by 'Thomas Hoberg' via Android-x86
running a 64 bit Android and had have RAM to fill. A lot of these are
used
Post by 'Thomas Hoberg' via Android-x86
by kids and those kids know Android better from phones and tablets
than they
Post by 'Thomas Hoberg' via Android-x86
know Windows or Linux.
I agree it's nice to bring new life to older PCs
by Android-x86 or Remix OS.
However, Google or Intel doesn't think in that way.
There are some ideas which been discussed to address that issue.
e.g, SSE4 emulation code in kernel.
But it's just an idea. Nobody is going to implement it yet.
Post by 'Thomas Hoberg' via Android-x86
Post by Hypo Turtle
Okay back to Remix; you should be able to use the 4.4.0 Ax86
kernel/modules with RemixOS - while waiting for the 4.4.2 source to
materialise.
Whenever I started fiddling with Android-x86 I first tried to build a
current release unmodified from Chih-Wei's work, just to validate my
build
Post by 'Thomas Hoberg' via Android-x86
environment.
Then I'd start skrewing around and know who to blame, if things
stopped
Post by 'Thomas Hoberg' via Android-x86
working.
So that's why I'd like to start with the obviously excellent work
Chih-Wei
Post by 'Thomas Hoberg' via Android-x86
and Remix have done, but I kind find that source.
Chih-Wei's latest 5.1 release is based on a 4.0.9 kernel and all his
work on
Post by 'Thomas Hoberg' via Android-x86
the 4.4 kernel seems Marshmallow based.
Remix is a 5.1.1 with a 4.4 kernel, clearly something in between and
obviously something that works rather well, including an AMD Kaveri
A10-7850K APU, which never worked on the previous Android-86 releases
I
Post by 'Thomas Hoberg' via Android-x86
tried.
So if I wanted to play around, that 64-Bit kernel which Remix Beta is
using
Post by 'Thomas Hoberg' via Android-x86
and which is a product of shared work between Jide and Chih-Wei,
should be
Post by 'Thomas Hoberg' via Android-x86
the perfect starting point, but it seems to use a different
repository.
The Remix OS beta uses the kernel 4.4 in our SF git repository.
But I can't tell whether it's an unmodified version or not.
In any case, I've asked them to push their git repository
to their github.
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'Thomas Hoberg' via Android-x86
2016-03-07 11:22:05 UTC
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Hi Chih-Wei!
2016-03-07 9:15 GMT+08:00 'Thomas Hoberg' via Android-x86
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Please see my inserts
[...]
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I was basically complaining that the Remix guys are dissing the very CPU
type on their 64-bit build, which brought 64-Bit to x86.
About this problem, you need to do some homework
before complaining.
It's Google which brought the 64-bit support to Android
since the 5.0 (lollipop) release, not by Remix guys.
The x86-64 ABI was defined by Google and Intel,
http://developer.android.com/ndk/guides/abis.html
The 64-bit images released by Android-x86 or Remix OS
are just compliant to the ABI requirement.
In short, your CPU is too old to meet
the ABI requirement defined by AOSP.
(I guess it missed SSE 4.x)
With Intel defining the ABI, I guess I shouldn't be surprised: They won't
be very interested in protecting AMD's installed base. And they fought very
hard and dirty to keep AMD from getting SSE4.

What's somewhat funny is that SSE4.2 and POPCNT don't actually seem to be
required, at least Remix 64-bit works just fine on a Penryn based Core2
mobile I just tested and that doesn't support SSE4.2 or POPCNT according to
Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SSE4).

But I can appreciate that SSE4.1 could be useful on Android even if the
Phenom in all likelyhood would be able to compensate somewhat by shere CPU
power.

After thinking a little more about it I wonder if the Intel provided ARM
emulator isn't the problem: Translating NEON to SSE4 could be somewhat more
straight forward than a full emulation.

I guess I'll survive if that system won't run Android, it just happens to
be the one which had the beefy Radeon 290X and after Remix worked so well
on the Kaveri APU (which is after all GCN) I just wanted to see Android
OpenGL benchmarks going to silly heights with the 290X monster GPU.

My Haswell Xeon 1276 v3 has an Nvidia GTX 780 but that isn't recognized at
all by Remix which only uses the CPU internal HD P4600 GPU and while that
one still beats any ARM GPU I've seen so far, the Nvidia would just do soo
much better.

My thinking there is that Android x86 almost has a better chance of
becoming what Steam fails to accomplish on "normal" Linux, especially once
Vulcan is there.
I agree it's nice to bring new life to older PCs
by Android-x86 or Remix OS.
However, Google or Intel doesn't think in that way.
There are some ideas which been discussed to address that issue.
e.g, SSE4 emulation code in kernel.
But it's just an idea. Nobody is going to implement it yet.
SSE4 emulation sounds terrible indeed: Better avoiding the generation of
SSE4 instructions in the first place.
I guess that takes all these Acer notebooks off the Remix list I have
running with Merom 65nm Core 2 mobiles (T7500 and T7700).

Thanks for your explanation and all the good work!
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Hypo Turtle
2016-03-07 13:26:03 UTC
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The Remix OS beta uses the kernel 4.4 in our SF git repository.
But I can't tell whether it's an unmodified version or not.
In any case, I've asked them to push their git repository
to their github.
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Just comparing the 4.4.2 stock ROS-B kernel with the custom 4.4.0 Ax86 kernel (missing wifi firmware), there is at the very least fs differences (4.4.2 mounts my exfat sdcard automatically - 4.4.0 doesn't).

Anyway their 4.4.y kernel repo seems to be live now, so props for that.
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m***@xemi.net
2016-03-08 06:17:08 UTC
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Great work CW.

Any idea how much work they did to get the Mesa LLVM stack to work on
android-x86?
2016-03-07 9:15 GMT+08:00 'Thomas Hoberg' via Android-x86
Post by 'Thomas Hoberg' via Android-x86
Please see my inserts
Post by Hypo Turtle
Think I can answer a few of your questions ...
Jide source is supposedly here - https://github.com/jide-opensource/
but
Post by 'Thomas Hoberg' via Android-x86
Post by Hypo Turtle
it seems to just be the alpha i.e. 4.0.9 kernel
I've just had a cursory look at that and nothing is less than 5 months
old.
Post by 'Thomas Hoberg' via Android-x86
And it doesn't seem to be x86 related.
Indeed the github is not updated for their beta release.
That's a mistake.
I've asked Jide to handle it as soon as possible.
Post by 'Thomas Hoberg' via Android-x86
Post by Hypo Turtle
Why AMD64, well why is 32bit called x86?? To answer both; the first
32bit chip was the Intel 8086, the first 64bit chip (with proper x86
compatibility) was made by AMD.
AMD64's specs became the standard for 64bit chips so thats why some
(purists) would prefer to refer to the arch as AMD64 (AMD64, x86,
x86_64 and
Post by 'Thomas Hoberg' via Android-x86
Post by Hypo Turtle
x86-64 are all the same thing though)
I know my x86 history well enough: I started programing for money on an
original IBM PC XT in 1984 (the one with the 10MB 5 1/4" full height
hard
Post by 'Thomas Hoberg' via Android-x86
disk drive), my first own PC had an Intel 80286 and I've owned every
generation of x86 CPUs produced since, both by Intel and AMD.
I was basically complaining that the Remix guys are dissing the very CPU
type on their 64-bit build, which brought 64-Bit to x86.
About this problem, you need to do some homework
before complaining.
It's Google which brought the 64-bit support to Android
since the 5.0 (lollipop) release, not by Remix guys.
The x86-64 ABI was defined by Google and Intel,
http://developer.android.com/ndk/guides/abis.html
The 64-bit images released by Android-x86 or Remix OS
are just compliant to the ABI requirement.
In short, your CPU is too old to meet
the ABI requirement defined by AOSP.
(I guess it missed SSE 4.x)
In doubt, try cat /proc/cpuinfo for your CPU
in any Linux distrubition.
Post by 'Thomas Hoberg' via Android-x86
I don't know which x86 instruction extension they made mandatory in
their
Post by 'Thomas Hoberg' via Android-x86
config, but Linux and Android have very few hard dependencies of their
own.
Post by 'Thomas Hoberg' via Android-x86
And CPUs haven't really evolved that much in the last 10 years, we still
run
Post by 'Thomas Hoberg' via Android-x86
three Core 2 based PC in the family with 3.4 GHz quad cores (modded
Xeons,
Post by 'Thomas Hoberg' via Android-x86
very cheap today) and modern graphics cards which deliver top notch
gaming
Post by 'Thomas Hoberg' via Android-x86
performance with high end Steam titles on less than 50 Watts of power
(for
Post by 'Thomas Hoberg' via Android-x86
the CPU, GPUs are around 200 Watts).
Most likely it's nothing relevant, but I hope it's not AES-NI, because
that
Post by 'Thomas Hoberg' via Android-x86
would also preclude Bay Trail Atoms, which are otherwise a perfect fit
for
Post by 'Thomas Hoberg' via Android-x86
Remix (Braswell works perfectly).
I mean, ok Linus Torvalds dropped 80386 support from the Linux kernel
3.7 in
Post by 'Thomas Hoberg' via Android-x86
2012 even if an 80386 was what Linux was "born" on in 1991: But my
Phenom II
Post by 'Thomas Hoberg' via Android-x86
x6 is from 2010 and still quite ok in term of CPU performance. It runs
every
Post by 'Thomas Hoberg' via Android-x86
current x86 OS from VMware ESX, Windows Server 2012R2 to Fedora 23 just
fine
Post by 'Thomas Hoberg' via Android-x86
and it certainly should be good enough to run Android with a proper GPU
(Radeon 290X inside, which I wanted to test after the APU worked so
well).
Post by 'Thomas Hoberg' via Android-x86
In fact a Remix optimized Android would be the perfect system for quite
a
Post by 'Thomas Hoberg' via Android-x86
few older PCs I have under my direct or indirect care, which seem to
have
Post by 'Thomas Hoberg' via Android-x86
become a little sluggish with Windows 10 while they are perfectly
capable of
Post by 'Thomas Hoberg' via Android-x86
running a 64 bit Android and had have RAM to fill. A lot of these are
used
Post by 'Thomas Hoberg' via Android-x86
by kids and those kids know Android better from phones and tablets than
they
Post by 'Thomas Hoberg' via Android-x86
know Windows or Linux.
I agree it's nice to bring new life to older PCs
by Android-x86 or Remix OS.
However, Google or Intel doesn't think in that way.
There are some ideas which been discussed to address that issue.
e.g, SSE4 emulation code in kernel.
But it's just an idea. Nobody is going to implement it yet.
Post by 'Thomas Hoberg' via Android-x86
Post by Hypo Turtle
Okay back to Remix; you should be able to use the 4.4.0 Ax86
kernel/modules with RemixOS - while waiting for the 4.4.2 source to
materialise.
Whenever I started fiddling with Android-x86 I first tried to build a
current release unmodified from Chih-Wei's work, just to validate my
build
Post by 'Thomas Hoberg' via Android-x86
environment.
Then I'd start skrewing around and know who to blame, if things stopped
working.
So that's why I'd like to start with the obviously excellent work
Chih-Wei
Post by 'Thomas Hoberg' via Android-x86
and Remix have done, but I kind find that source.
Chih-Wei's latest 5.1 release is based on a 4.0.9 kernel and all his
work on
Post by 'Thomas Hoberg' via Android-x86
the 4.4 kernel seems Marshmallow based.
Remix is a 5.1.1 with a 4.4 kernel, clearly something in between and
obviously something that works rather well, including an AMD Kaveri
A10-7850K APU, which never worked on the previous Android-86 releases I
tried.
So if I wanted to play around, that 64-Bit kernel which Remix Beta is
using
Post by 'Thomas Hoberg' via Android-x86
and which is a product of shared work between Jide and Chih-Wei, should
be
Post by 'Thomas Hoberg' via Android-x86
the perfect starting point, but it seems to use a different repository.
The Remix OS beta uses the kernel 4.4 in our SF git repository.
But I can't tell whether it's an unmodified version or not.
In any case, I've asked them to push their git repository
to their github.
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Thomas B. Prost
2016-03-22 19:26:44 UTC
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2016-03-07 9:15 GMT+08:00 'Thomas Hoberg' via Android-x86
Post by 'Thomas Hoberg' via Android-x86
Please see my inserts
Post by Hypo Turtle
Think I can answer a few of your questions ...
Jide source is supposedly here - https://github.com/jide-opensource/ but
it seems to just be the alpha i.e. 4.0.9 kernel
I've just had a cursory look at that and nothing is less than 5 months old.
And it doesn't seem to be x86 related.
Indeed the github is not updated for their beta release.
That's a mistake.
I've asked Jide to handle it as soon as possible.
Post by 'Thomas Hoberg' via Android-x86
Post by Hypo Turtle
Why AMD64, well why is 32bit called x86?? To answer both; the first
32bit chip was the Intel 8086, the first 64bit chip (with proper x86
compatibility) was made by AMD.
AMD64's specs became the standard for 64bit chips so thats why some
(purists) would prefer to refer to the arch as AMD64 (AMD64, x86, x86_64 and
x86-64 are all the same thing though)
I know my x86 history well enough: I started programing for money on an
original IBM PC XT in 1984 (the one with the 10MB 5 1/4" full height hard
disk drive), my first own PC had an Intel 80286 and I've owned every
generation of x86 CPUs produced since, both by Intel and AMD.
I was basically complaining that the Remix guys are dissing the very CPU
type on their 64-bit build, which brought 64-Bit to x86.
About this problem, you need to do some homework
before complaining.
It's Google which brought the 64-bit support to Android
since the 5.0 (lollipop) release, not by Remix guys.
The x86-64 ABI was defined by Google and Intel,
http://developer.android.com/ndk/guides/abis.html
The 64-bit images released by Android-x86 or Remix OS
are just compliant to the ABI requirement.
In short, your CPU is too old to meet
the ABI requirement defined by AOSP.
(I guess it missed SSE 4.x)
In doubt, try cat /proc/cpuinfo for your CPU
in any Linux distrubition.
Where can I find their 32-bit ISO ?
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Somebody
2016-03-22 19:40:25 UTC
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I'm not particularly fond of the Remix angle, but if you can squeeze ANY
kind of source code out of them, I suppose it would at least be worth
looking at. It is fortunate that the "real meat" of Remix, which is the
floating windows UI, is completely redundant now, since it actually a real
feature of Android N. Its a fairly easy job to enable it on a Nexus running
the preview build.

I do NOT like the idea of them trying to capture people with their CLOSED
SOURCE code, it is counterproductive in the grand scheme of things, and
ALWAYS leads to "dark ages". The catholic church controlled all knowledge
during the original dark ages, then it was microsoft later on. Now these
guys -- no thanks.
Hi all,
As you may have read the announcement on both sites,
Android-x86 partners with Remix OS now.
http://www.android-x86.org/changelog/partnership
http://www.jide.com/en/remixos-for-pc/announceme
<http://www.jide.com/en/remixos-for-pc/announcement>nt
For those who are curious, let me give more details
why and how we make the partnership.
Jide Technology, the creator of Remix OS, has contacted
me in about Sep 2015 for the cooperation.
In the early Nov 2015, one month after Android-x86 5.1-rc1
released, they sent me a preview iso of Remix OS for PC
based on the 5.1-rc1. I was surprised they made it so quickly.
In the mid Nov 2015, two co-founders of Jide met me
at Taipei to exchange more ideas about the cooperation.
Later in the end of Nov when I visited Beijing,
I was invited to Jide's office to give a talk to the RD team.
I was surprised they have a so big, smart and energetic team.
After that, Jide engineers joined the devel group
to co-work with other developers. They have submitted
some valuable patches to the Android-x86 codebase.
Last week after the CNY holidays, I was invited to Jide office
again. During the meetings in the 4 days, we reached a very
detailed cooperation plan including new designed website,
prioritized working items and marketing promotion.
Moreover, we see the same vision that Android will
enter or even dominate the PC desktop in the future.
We hope to make it happen as quicker as possible.
We agreed to announce the partnership on MWC 2016.
Jide Technology will continue to contribute improvements of
Remix OS under the x86 BSP level, say, the kernel and hals.
Later I'll post the detailed tasks to the devel group
so other developers can follow and co-work together.
Besides, I was also invited to visit Chaozhuo Technology,
the creator of Phoenix OS(x86) in Beijing.
Though they are a smaller group, they also show
sincere intention to work with the community
to improve Android UX on the desktop.
I think they will also make good contributions in the future.
What I hope to say is the Jide and Chaozhuo Technology
shows a very good example how the commercial companies
can co-work and contribute an open source project
like Android-x86.
I believe they will move forward this project to a totally
different level than before in the near future.
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Thisara Kasun
2016-03-29 02:28:18 UTC
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If someone didn't notice,Jide's open source code can be found at https://github.com/JideTechnology. You can check the 4.4 kernel there in https://github.com/JideTechnology/remixos-kernel/tree/jide_x86_lollipop_kernel-4.4.
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dgdn
2016-04-05 21:35:10 UTC
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he wouldn't know what to do with it if it hit him over the
head.......scammers don't lie and liars don't scam!!!
Cp will love you for that lol just sayn.
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If someone didn't notice,Jide's open source code can be found at
https://github.com/JideTechnology. You can check the 4.4 kernel there
in
https://github.com/JideTechnology/remixos-kernel/tree/jide_x86_lollipop_kernel-4.4.
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Hypo Turtle
2016-04-13 11:36:55 UTC
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Jide seems to have pulled their source; that they weren't keeping updated with OTAs anyway.

There's just a cloned repo available on github (JideTechnology)
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Somebody
2016-05-20 15:35:32 UTC
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Call it whatever you like, but if you can't *READ* the code, you can't
*TRUST* the code.
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I'm not particularly fond of the Remix angle, but if you can squeeze ANY
kind of source code out of them, I suppose it would at least be worth
looking at. It is fortunate that the "real meat" of Remix, which is the
floating windows UI, is completely redundant now, since it actually a
real
Post by Somebody
feature of Android N. Its a fairly easy job to enable it on a Nexus
running
Post by Somebody
the preview build.
I do NOT like the idea of them trying to capture people with their
CLOSED
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SOURCE code, it is counterproductive in the grand scheme of things, and
ALWAYS leads to "dark ages". The catholic church controlled all
knowledge
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during the original dark ages, then it was microsoft later on. Now these
guys -- no thanks.
Are you a free and open source software fanaticism
who insists all software must be open source?
If yes, don't use any Android device.
Android ecosystem is never open sourced.
Most Android apps include GMS (Google Play, Gmail, Youtube, ...)
are not open source. Do you use them?
Remix OS is just a customized Android system
like all android vendors do (Samsung, HTC, Huiwei, ...).
Do you use any of these Android phone or tablet?
You use them if you like or don't use them if you dislike.
How can they "capture" you?
None of the vendors release their source code
(except the GPL components) so far.
Does it lead to the "dark ages"?
You exaggerate it too much!
Android-x86 is and will continue to be an open source project.
Jide commits to improve Android-x86 and its ecosystem.
They will contribute all improvements in the BSP level to
Android-x86. Some of them have already been pushed to
Android-x86 codebase and more will come in the future.
Please note that will benefit all their competitors as well.
They understand the point very well and still decide to do so
because they want to promote Android desktop and make
the market bigger. They even welcome more competitors
to join to make the market bigger since they think it's big
enough to hold more competitors.
I appreciate their contributions because that's a good will.
The are not obliged to do so.
You may say that's just a business decision. I agree.
But that doesn't erase the benefits we get.
Even if you don't appreciate their contributions,
please don't attack them by misleading information.
There is no point to attack Jide to close source some of
their improvements because that's also another
business decision like all vendors do
including Google, Samsung, etc.
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Kostika Pllaha
2016-04-23 07:54:27 UTC
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Hi all,
As you may have read the announcement on both sites,
Android-x86 partners with Remix OS now.
http://www.android-x86.org/changelog/partnership
http://www.jide.com/en/remixos-for-pc/announcement
For those who are curious, let me give more details
why and how we make the partnership.
Jide Technology, the creator of Remix OS, has contacted
me in about Sep 2015 for the cooperation.
In the early Nov 2015, one month after Android-x86 5.1-rc1
released, they sent me a preview iso of Remix OS for PC
based on the 5.1-rc1. I was surprised they made it so quickly.
In the mid Nov 2015, two co-founders of Jide met me
at Taipei to exchange more ideas about the cooperation.
Later in the end of Nov when I visited Beijing,
I was invited to Jide's office to give a talk to the RD team.
I was surprised they have a so big, smart and energetic team.
After that, Jide engineers joined the devel group
to co-work with other developers. They have submitted
some valuable patches to the Android-x86 codebase.
Last week after the CNY holidays, I was invited to Jide office
again. During the meetings in the 4 days, we reached a very
detailed cooperation plan including new designed website,
prioritized working items and marketing promotion.
Moreover, we see the same vision that Android will
enter or even dominate the PC desktop in the future.
We hope to make it happen as quicker as possible.
We agreed to announce the partnership on MWC 2016.
Jide Technology will continue to contribute improvements of
Remix OS under the x86 BSP level, say, the kernel and hals.
Later I'll post the detailed tasks to the devel group
so other developers can follow and co-work together.
Besides, I was also invited to visit Chaozhuo Technology,
the creator of Phoenix OS(x86) in Beijing.
Though they are a smaller group, they also show
sincere intention to work with the community
to improve Android UX on the desktop.
I think they will also make good contributions in the future.
What I hope to say is the Jide and Chaozhuo Technology
shows a very good example how the commercial companies
can co-work and contribute an open source project
like Android-x86.
I believe they will move forward this project to a totally
different level than before in the near future.
Let's make it!
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Android-x86 project
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i am trying it in my Fujitsu stylistic Q550 but i seems it doesnt work very well. keyboard doesnt work also is very slow. can you recommend me something?
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TheKit
2016-05-14 03:34:19 UTC
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Hi,
Is it possible to
request http://www.jide.com/remixos/devices/teclastx98plus kernel sources
from them? Or at least some drivers from it, if they are not permitted to
release it (but that's a violation of GPL again).
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TheKit
2016-05-15 10:15:29 UTC
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Hi,
Is it possible to request http://www.jide.com/remixos/devices/teclastx98plus kernel
sources from them? Or at least to get some drivers from it, if they are not
permitted to release the sources (even if that's a violation of GPL).

среЎа, 24 февраля 2016 г., 21:01:00 UTC+8 пПльзПватель Chih-Wei Huang
Hi all,
As you may have read the announcement on both sites,
Android-x86 partners with Remix OS now.
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TheKit
2016-05-14 03:58:35 UTC
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Hi,
Is it possible to request kernel source code
of http://www.jide.com/remixos/devices/teclastx98plus from them?
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TheKit
2016-05-21 08:12:07 UTC
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Got any response or reasoning from them? I understand that it's not
directly related to android-x86 and they will probably point fingers at
hardware manufacturers, but if they have access to kernel source code, even
few drivers would greatly help in getting alternative OSes running on those
tablets (such as Sailfish OS).

пПМеЎельМОк, 16 Ќая 2016 г., 19:24:33 UTC+8 пПльзПватель Chih-Wei Huang
Hi,
Is it possible to request kernel source code of
http://www.jide.com/remixos/devices/teclastx98plus from them?
It's unrelated to android-x86 or the partnership.
But I'll talk to them.
Theoretically all the kernel source should be released.
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